10:38 A discussion on the role and importance of Christianity and Judeo-Christian ethics in our Australian culture including references to Kevin Donnelly’s article on celebrating Christianity’s role in our society and Hugh’s response and another Kevin Donnelly article claiming Barnaby Joyce is right about Judeo-Christian principles. Hugh argues Judeo-Christian values are a myth contrived by the USA moral majority.
31:29 Major discussion. We are wasting our time waging a grassroots battle. To reinstate secularism we need to focus on influencing powerful people.
Voters are too busy to care about policies but even if we convince the grassroots, they will vote for a party based on tribal affiliations, not on policy platforms.
Lobby groups don’t waste time changing public opinion. They go out and lobby powerful people.
When people identify with a group, they will follow whatever the group leader pushes.
All we are doing is preaching to the converted.
How much do the various secular groups co-operate?